W.B.A - Newcastle (FA Cupen Runde 4)

[kø1]

Er det bare jeg som gir faen i årets cuper? Vi har overhodet ingen sjanse til å vinne dem, så det hadde vært bedre å bruke dem til å gi unggutter og reserver kamptrening. Ligaen må være hovedfokus i år.

Greit at ligaen er viktigere, men cupkampene har masse sjarm og prestisje i seg og et lengre avansement i cupen ville vært veldig morro, selv i en sesong hvor ligaen er viktigere enn noen gang.

[lgrinde]

Anbefalt lesning, må jo eit mirakel til for å vinna ein slik kamp...
Teke frå nufc.com:

Home, James

West Brom  4  Newcastle  2

United bowed out of the FA Cup at the Fourth Round stage, as alleged referee James Linnington wrote himself into Geordie folklore with the most consistently anti-Newcastle display of officiating witnessed in many years.

Not since Brian Coddington brandished four red cards at the Baseball ground back in April 1992 have United fans been saddled with such an incompetent and one-sided official, seemingly intent on ruining their day.   

Isle of Wight-based Linnington made former foes Steve Bennett and Rob Styles look like lifelong Toon devotees, while even the odious Trelford Mills now has a rival.

The sizeable away following made their feelings known, while even normally mild-mannered manager Chris Hughton was enraged by the referee's antics, confronting the officials on the pitch following the final whistle.

Jonas Olsson had headed Albion ahead on 17 minutes when, for the second game running, he was given all the time in the world to meet Chris Brunt's corner. Enrique's attempted clearance was judged to be behind the line.

The man in blue's catalogue of errors began when he allowed Roman Bednar to foul Tamas Kadar two or three times, before the Baggies forward then theatrically tumbled near the edge of the Newcastle area.

With a free kick in favour of Newcastle widely expected, Linnington instead took note of the linesman's signal and pointed to the spot, booking Kadar after the inevitable Newcastle protests had subsided.

Graham Dorrans then beat Tim Krul to double the home side's advantage just after the half hour mark.

Linnington's grip on the game (and reality) steadily weakened from that point, as players from both sides seemed utterly bemused by the official.

Newcastle had lined up with almost a full strength side, injured duo Danny Simpson and Steven Taylor replaced by Ryan Taylor and Tamas Kadar respectively, while Fabrice Pancrate deputised for the indisposed Peter Lovenkrands.

After a poor opening 45 minutes, Newcastle came out seemingly determined to fight their way back into the game, with the inept Pancrate replaced by Ameobi.

A lung-busting burst down the left flank from Jonas Gutierrez on 62 minutes ended with him sending a low centre across the Albion box for Andy Carroll to slam home the goal of the game - and his first since November.

Two penalty claims then went against United as Danny Guthrie's cross appeared to hit Olsson's arm, before Ryan Taylor was barged over in the box - although the latter looked to be guilty of waiting to be tackled, rather than shooting on goal or sliding the ball across the area.

Newcastle's third spot kick shout in quick succession then ended in farcical scenes, with two defenders sandwiching Ameobi as he shaped to shoot.

With Shola lying injured, the home side and referee ignored the appeals of Baggies 'keeper Scott Carson to put the ball out and Jerome Thomas ran upfield before being upended in the area by Taylor.

Taylor received a straight red card but the whistler inexplicably waited until the kick was just about to be taken before showing the card.

Dorrans beat Krul again, despite the 'keeper guessing correctly as he had done with the first spot-kick and our fourteen game unbeaten record disappeared.

Thomas added insult to injury with a fourth after Enrique had made an excellent challenge on Bednar and the ball fell loose with 14 minutes remaining.

Alan Smith managed to pick up a silly booking before Carroll scored another, weaving his way through the home defence before slotting the ball past Carson during the six minutes of added time.

Carroll also had the chance of an improbable hat trick when substitute Ryan Donaldson centred in the final seconds, but couldn't get enough on his header.

As well as the controversial penalty decisions, Linnington was oblivious to players coming back onto the pitch after injury and even allowed to Carson to restart the game with the ball in his hands after he had booted it out following yet another Albion player collapsing to the floor.

He also seemed to be unaware of the haranguing of the linesman who gave the first penalty of the game by Albion's substitutes. And the various examples of foul throws taken by both sides but not pulled up were just another example of the collective myopia at work here.

And for the game to end with a card count of 5-0 against Newcastle is both baffling and suspicious. 

To say Linnington was barely Sunday League standard would be an insult to junior officials - if the assessor present at this match allows him to use his whistle in anger again, then we're all in trouble.

Suspension and injuries now weaken us further for Wednesday's visit of Crystal Palace and our squad's defensive frailties now look critical - with the transfer window closing on Monday week (February 1st).

It's tempting to say that we can now "concentrate on the league" while Albion have the added burden of FA Cup commitments, but in the heat of battle the sense of hurt and injustice was both real and sizeable.

Despite the outrageous penalty award that left Albion comfortably two ahead at the break, Newcastle's second half recovery was heartening - and had one of the penalty claims been awarded and scored, then at 2-2 the tie would have had a vastly different complexion.

[Joakim]

nufc.com har også lagt ut link til BBCs kamprapport etter ligacupkampen mellom Swansea og Scunthorpe i august. Hvor svært så nøytrale BBC allerede i ingressen bruker begrepet "farcical circumstances". De betegnet altså kampen som en farse. En komedie. Les rapporten til den kampen, og dere vil nikke gjenkjennende mange ganger. Hjemmelaget avsluttet kampen med seks mann, pluss en krøpling.

Linken finner du naturligvis her.

[Kristoffer]

Syns det sier sitt når Hughton er så krass mot dommeren. Aldri vært borti at han har hatt så sterke uttalelser før, jeg!

[Joakim]

Hvilke sterke uttalelser er det du referer til?

[Kristoffer]

De etter kampen der han i stor grad fokuserte på alle feilene han mente dommeren gjorde. Fra en mann som alltid har vært særs dimplomatisk og forsiktig i pressen var det unormalt!

[Joakim]

Fortsatt ikke sikker på om jeg vet nøyaktig hvilke utsagn du refererer til, men hvis det er noe i nærheten av det som står gjengitt i BBCs kamprapport, så er det kanskje ganske uvanlig til Hughton å være, uten at det er så mange feil han snakker om akkurat der.

[Kristoffer]

Having calmed down, Newcastle manager Chris Hughton said:

"It is normal at the end of the game when you think that decisions have wrongly gone against you that some of the anger and frustrations come out.

"The first goal, I can't for the life of me see how a linesman can rule that over the line and of course there is the fact he has given two penalties against us and why he has not given any for us. There was no explanation from him.

"I thought the first penalty we conceded was a soft one and if the referee is going to give a soft penalty like that he has to give the two penalties that were against Ryan Taylor and Shola Ameobi.

"What we were led to believe is that he was going to give a yellow card (to Ryan Taylor) and changed his mind to a red one. I think that is incredibly harsh.

"Having got back to 2-1, we felt we had a good chance, but at 3-1 and down to 10 men it was going to be incredibly difficult.

"Losing is a setback. We wanted to make progress in the cup but it wasn't to be and we now have to go on to our main objective, which is promotion."

Selvfølgelig ingenting sammenlignet med folk som Souness, Sir Alex og Wenger eksempelvis, men aldri sett Hughton så krass. Han var visstnok særdeles sint da kampen var over i går.

[Joakim]

Bare det at Hughton ifølge rapportene stormet bort til dommeren for å avrkreve ham en forklaring etter kampslutt i går er høyst uvanlig fra den kanten. Det er ikke mange som er så rolig og sindig uansett hva som skjer, som Chris Hughton, som står med armene i kors i 90 minutter og ser misfornøyd ut. Selv om vi leder 3-0.

Så jeg ser den.

Men jeg forstår også at denne dommeren ville blitt kastet ut av det profesjonelle ligasystemet om han hadde dømt en like dårlig kamp på et høyere nivå (les: PL, i en Man Utd-kamp). Ferguson ville klaget så høylytt allerede ved pause, at FA ikke hadde tort annet enn å bytte dommer ved pause, og sette inn fjerdedommeren. Deretter ville hele teamet trolig blitt fratatt lisensen til å dømme profesjonell fotball.

Men grunnen til at han får dømme er at FA ikke kunne gitt mer blanke i oppgjørene mellom Swansea og Scunthorpe eller Newcastle og West Bromwich. Selv om observatøren på gårdagens kamp er krass i sine rapporter, så vil det neppe få noen konsekvenser av noe slag for denne dommeren. Det er Wankership vi snakker om. Ingen bryr seg om Wankership. Minst av alle, FA.

[sheaer1]

Link til målene anyone? 

[Sebastian]

http://www.nufcblog.com/2010/01/24/wba-4-newcastle-2-video-highlights/

Fra det eg ser her så synes eg ikke vi direkte kan slakte dommeren for straffene og måla. Må også få tilføye at måla til Carroll var klasse ! Bra jobba av Jonas på 2-1 målet også.

[Erlend Simonsen]

jeg synes begge straffene var klare jeg.. tar mannen men ikke ballen...?

[Sebastian]

Det første kan man vel si at Kadar skulle hatt frispark i forhånd på, men absolutt ikkje så soleklart som eg hadde sett for meg. Skulle gjerne sett dei straffene vi angivelig blei snytt for.

[Offe87]

Den første straffa er ikke no straffe i mine øyne, den andre er diskuterbar, men den synes jeg ikke det er feil av dommern å dømme straffe og rødt kort på.
Det er ikke de beste bildene vi får se der, men det er min mening av hva jeg ser på bildene.

[kø1]

Det som er PROBLEMET, er egentlig ikke hvorvidt de straffene til WBA er korrekte eller ei....Det som er så ufattelig er at Shola blir meid ned av to WBA stoppere uten å få straffe, så stormer WBA rett i angrep og får straffa som de scorer på og tar ledelsen 3-1! Det kunne vært forskjellen på 2-2 og 1-3 for vår del!!! Dessuten er jeg veldig tvilende til om den 1-0 scoringa til WBA var over streken. Ikke nok med det....men Ryan Taylor blir også felt innenfor 16m på stillinga 0-2 eller 1-2, så vi skulle hatt to klare straffespark vi også. Dessuten får Ryan Taylor rødt for den taklinga........... Radiokommentatorene var også uenige i den første straffen, de mente Bednar holdt Kadar før han ble felt, men den har ikke jeg sett, så skal ikke uttale meg på den.. Tim Krul fikk også gult kort i denne kampen fordi han tok et par ord med en motspiller.