Leicester - Newcastle

[Eriksen]

Vet ikke om det var ment som sarkasme, men Almiron spilte veldig bra under Benitez. Og vi gjorde det ganske bra siste halvdel av forrige sesong. Du har ikke fulgt mye med om du tror at det er grunnen til at han stakk.

[Thomas]

Vet ikke om det var ment som sarkasme, men Almiron spilte veldig bra under Benitez. Og vi gjorde det ganske bra siste halvdel av forrige sesong. Du har ikke fulgt mye med om du tror at det er grunnen til at han stakk.

Akkurat.

[lgrinde]

Vet ikke om det var ment som sarkasme, men Almiron spilte veldig bra under Benitez. Og vi gjorde det ganske bra siste halvdel av forrige sesong. Du har ikke fulgt mye med om du tror at det er grunnen til at han stakk.

+1

Han kan ikkje ha sett ein einaste Newcastle-kamp frå januar til sesongslutt førre sesong.

[Romance]

Orker ikke en lang tirade over Bruce, er nevnt mange nok ganger her nå.

Men en ting jeg er så latterlig lei av er at ingen av anrgepspillerne våre klarer å dra av en mann. Altså, en finte her og der joa, men Almiron, Muto og Atsu. Hver gang de drar en finte så får jeg assosiasjoner til en 3 åring som ikke vil bli fanga av pappan sin. Kan komme seg unna første grep, men blir ALLTID tatt igjen og snappa opp.

Flere ting jeg er drittlei:
-Almiron som skal kælke den ballen lang forran seg fordi han er så rask, uten en eneste plan senere. Alltid løpt opp, alltid stoppet, aldri noen å spille til.

- Når vi leker så deilige at vi skal spille oss ut (på tross at vi ku har to tank-spisser på papiret), sentrer litt frem og tilbake helt til en eller annen klovn (les Krafth, Hayden) får altfor dårlig tid med ballen og kliner den opp i ingenmanns-land. Kan vi ikke bare begynne med keeper-utspark da. Kan ikke bli værre enn det vi har. Og mens jeg er inne på Krafth; hva er den han egentlig gjør? Han flyr bare rundt og skjermer mann han. Jeg kan huske 2 taklinger i går sånn top of my head.

- Og så selve gullroten. Hvert angrep vi har så sitter jeg med følelsen av at det er tilfeldigheter i favør oss som må til for å score. Kan liksom ikke huske et kremangrep, en fin scoring med laget. Er enkeltmannsprestasjoner og en god dose flaks. Eks i går. La oss si at Muto putta på den sjansen han hadde, skapt av et elendig skudd fra Hayden. Der har du angrepsfotballen vår oppsummert, spør du meg.

[Geordie]

Mange som roper at Bruce må sparkes, noe han virkelig burde vært (burde aldri vært ansatt, men det er en annen diskusjon), men hvem pokker er det av seriøse kandidater som gidder ta over dette takraset av en klubb?

   

[Thomas]

Mange som roper at Bruce må sparkes, noe han virkelig burde vært (burde aldri vært ansatt, men det er en annen diskusjon), men hvem pokker er det av seriøse kandidater som gidder ta over dette takraset av en klubb?

   

Det er vel derfor vi endte opp med ellevtevalget, Steve Bruce. Er ganske så skremmende: Vi tilbød visst jobben til unge, lovende managere som Gerrard og Viera, men begge takket nei.  Så lenge vi ikke er griseheldige, dvs. gir jobben til et ukjent blad som mot alle odds gjør suksess, er det ingen halvrennomert trener som vil styre dette vepsebolet, og det vil det fortsatt være så lenge MA er eier.

[jonni_e]

Uansett merkelig måte Ashley driver klubben på. Kunne jo lært mye av Leicester. Solgt for rimelig store summer og har fortsatt et sterkt lag tross salgene.
Verdien på klubben vil jo synke betraktelig ved et nedrykk og enda mer med et nytt, noe som fort kan skje med den stallen og manageren vi har.

[Eppa]

En grusom kamp som man ønsker fort skal forsvinne inn i glemmeboken.
Leser at det er noen der ute som forsvarer Bruce med at vi har flere poeng nå enn hva vi hadde under Rafa forrige sesong. Når man ser på resultatene fra forrige sesong i starten så var det ett-måls tap mot Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham og Man Utd. Og husker jeg ikke feil spilte vi noen gode kamper der resultatet kunne vært annerledes. Alt tatt i betrakning så var faktisk ikke starten på forrige sesong så verst egentlig. Poenget er nå at laget under Bruce spiller som 11 hodeløse høns utpå gressmatta. Den defensive tryggheten er borte, vi skaper null og niks av sjanser, spillerne viser ingen tegn til relasjoner og pasningspill.
Vi blir til tider rundspilt hjemme mot et lag som Brighton. Heller ikke evnet vi å slå Watford hjemme som noen kamper senere presterte å tape 0-8 mot City. I tillegg kan jeg nevne den begredelige forestillingen mot Norwich.

Hvordan i alle dager skal Bruce klare å snu dette til noe positivt?
Jeg forventer så klart at vi kommer til å tape fotballkamper, men måten det har skjedd på denne sesongen er meget kritikkverdig.

[Jonas99]

Foruten dårlig arbeidsinnsats, dårlig lagmoral, og et generelt sett dårlig forsvar og en elendig midtbane, så viste denne kampen at vi rett og slett ikke makter å spille med "kun" 4 bak! Det blir altfor store rom for motstanderlaget og boltre seg på. 

I en ideell verden, skulle eg ønske at vi spilte 4-2-3-1 eller 4-4-2, men dette funker ikke med troppen vi har. Rafa la om fra to til tre stoppere for en grunn! Det er her styrken vår ligger.

Den sentrale midtbanen vår er sinnsyk svak, og mest sannsynlig den svakeste (tregeste) i ligaen. Null tempo, null kreativitet - vår soleklare akilleshæl! Motstanderlaget spaserer gjennom.

Konklusjonen min er, at vi må spille 3stk sentralt i midten, enten med 3 sentrale midtbanespillere (4-3-3), eller med 3 stoppere (5-4-1/5-2-2-1). Her snakker vi om å tette igjen for motstanderen. Personlig ønsker eg at Brus går for sistnevnte mot topp 10, førstnevnte mot resten. 5-2-2-1, dersom eg må velge èn formasjon!

Tanker? 

[lgrinde]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-uniteds-early-season-struggle-17006491

Det er her må ein berre lese. Interessant og skremmande! Har limt inn noko av det under.


"Fewest shots of ANY Premier League team"

"Lowest possession of any side in the top flight"
-"They?ve got an average possession of 33.9% across their seven matches ? and three of their game feature in the lowest possession in English football this season."

"There is no more damning attacking stat than this. They have touched the ball just 65 times in the opposition box this season across seven matches ? a risible figure made even worse by the fact that the nearest team to them is Sheffield United, who have had 92 touches in the opposition box."

"Last season under Rafa Benitez, United only conceded three or more goals four times across the whole 38 games season. This season it has happened three times in just seven games."

"Lowest expected goals (5.42 all season)"
- "It?s seen as the industry standard in terms of measuring how creative a team is ? and Newcastle are bang last. Their expected goals are 5.42."

"Bruce sinks to lowest Premier League win rate (and three of the six are ex-NUFC managers)"
-"His win ratio of 27.8% is less than Tony Pulis and Joe Kinnear, who is third. Sam Allardyce is sixth, given Newcastle the unwelcome distinction of having employed three of those with the lowest win ratio."

"Fewest ?progressive passes?
These are passes looking to move the ball, and possession, forward. United are the lowest in the division"

[Eppa]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-uniteds-early-season-struggle-17006491

Det er her må ein berre lese. Interessant og skremmande! Har limt inn noko av det under.


"Fewest shots of ANY Premier League team"

"Lowest possession of any side in the top flight"
-"They?ve got an average possession of 33.9% across their seven matches ? and three of their game feature in the lowest possession in English football this season."

"There is no more damning attacking stat than this. They have touched the ball just 65 times in the opposition box this season across seven matches ? a risible figure made even worse by the fact that the nearest team to them is Sheffield United, who have had 92 touches in the opposition box."

"Last season under Rafa Benitez, United only conceded three or more goals four times across the whole 38 games season. This season it has happened three times in just seven games."

"Lowest expected goals (5.42 all season)"
- "It?s seen as the industry standard in terms of measuring how creative a team is ? and Newcastle are bang last. Their expected goals are 5.42."

"Bruce sinks to lowest Premier League win rate (and three of the six are ex-NUFC managers)"
-"His win ratio of 27.8% is less than Tony Pulis and Joe Kinnear, who is third. Sam Allardyce is sixth, given Newcastle the unwelcome distinction of having employed three of those with the lowest win ratio."

"Fewest ?progressive passes?
These are passes looking to move the ball, and possession, forward. United are the lowest in the division"

Interessant å lese. Klubben kan vel ikke synke nå lavere enn dette 

[Eppa]

Foruten dårlig arbeidsinnsats, dårlig lagmoral, og et generelt sett dårlig forsvar og en elendig midtbane, så viste denne kampen at vi rett og slett ikke makter å spille med "kun" 4 bak! Det blir altfor store rom for motstanderlaget og boltre seg på. 

I en ideell verden, skulle eg ønske at vi spilte 4-2-3-1 eller 4-4-2, men dette funker ikke med troppen vi har. Rafa la om fra to til tre stoppere for en grunn! Det er her styrken vår ligger.

Den sentrale midtbanen vår er sinnsyk svak, og mest sannsynlig den svakeste (tregeste) i ligaen. Null tempo, null kreativitet - vår soleklare akilleshæl! Motstanderlaget spaserer gjennom.

Konklusjonen min er, at vi må spille 3stk sentralt i midten, enten med 3 sentrale midtbanespillere (4-3-3), eller med 3 stoppere (5-4-1/5-2-2-1). Her snakker vi om å tette igjen for motstanderen. Personlig ønsker eg at Brus går for sistnevnte mot topp 10, førstnevnte mot resten. 5-2-2-1, dersom eg må velge èn formasjon!

Tanker?

Vi har en head coach som ikke evner å få det beste ut det spillermaterialet som er til rådighet. Legg til at samme person ikke akkurat er noen taktiker av rang.
Bruce har spilt med 5 bak men den tryggheten og stabiliteten vi hadde under Rafa er fullstendig borte. Man kan jo spørre seg om spillerne har trua på mannen. Hayden og Longstaff var gode å ha på midtbanen under Rafa forrige sesong. Ingen av de er til å kjenne igjen nå. Man kan sikkert nevne flere spillere som ikke har fått det til denne sesongen kontra forrige.
Det minste vi fans kan kreve er solid innsats og faktisk se spillerne prøve å få til resultater. Bruce har en enorm jobb foran seg og ingenting taler for at han skal klare dette før alarmklokkene virkelig starter å ringe for fullt.

[boris.]

From 365;

Losers

Early loser Steve Bruce

Let?s start with a statistic, if only to give you something before it all gets a bit ranty. Rafael Benitez managed Newcastle United for 146 matches, and in that time they conceded more than three goals in a match on two occasions. The first of those was a 4-1 defeat at Old Trafford in November 2017, when Newcastle took the lead but eventually succumbed to United?s pressure in the second half. The second was in December 2018, when Liverpool scored two goals in the final 12 minutes at Anfield to beat Newcastle 4-0.
 
That is important, because it partly explains Benitez?s reason for often playing defensive football in away matches that Newcastle were favourites to lose. He figured that the chance of winning away at Big Six clubs was far smaller than the chance of getting a thumping, and a thumping can cause lasting psychological damage on the squad.
 
Even at the start of last season, when Newcastle were wretched, Benitez will argue that he was working on defensive organisation that would benefit the team later in the season. Only with that organisation in place could Newcastle look to attack. Over the last 16 league games of last season, only four teams scored more goals than Newcastle. They were transformed because they had a platform from which to attack.
 
Then there was a process. Now there is nothing. It isn?t just that Newcastle conceded five for the first time since the month before Benitez arrived. It isn?t just that this was a team that has had all the useful elements that Benitez forged unpicked and dismantled. It isn?t just that Steve Bruce is consistently picking players out of position, and then saying after the match that tactics are ?nonsense? and it?s all about playing with pride despite Newcastle showing none of that either. It isn?t just that Bruce has a £40m centre forward that Benitez warned the club would be worse than Salomon Rondon and already looks vindicated on that point.
 
It?s that this was so utterly predictable from the moment it started. Bruce is not the disease, merely a symptom thereof. Newcastle allowed Benitez, the most capable manager they have had in 20 years, to walk because they couldn?t muster enough competence to convince him to stay. Benitez didn?t want vast transfer budgets. He didn?t even want the club to be jolted forward, merely pointed in the right direction. And in his place they appointed a Championship-level manager because he was likely to say yes and come cheap. This disarray is the result of that strategy.
 
Newcastle?s players have got worse since last season. The defence is far more open without Benitez?s defensive coordination (they have already conceded almost 30% of last season?s goal total). Sean Longstaff, Miguel Almiron and Isaac Hayden have all suffered a drop in form that coincides with the new manager?s arrival. Newcastle offer little as a counter-attacking threat. They are making individual and collective mistakes that Premier League teams are too good not to punish.
 
Finally, spare me the ?poor Steve Bruce? angle that I?ve seen in some places. He backed himself to do this job, and he deserves to be judged on what happens on the pitch as Benitez was. And what took place on Sunday was a total abdication of responsibility. The ?tactics nonsense? quotes speak of a manager out of his depth and out of step with the modern Premier League.
 
This wasn?t a Leicester victory through excellence, because they did not need to be excellent. It was a victory through surrender. Leicester exploited the obvious flaws and Newcastle were lucky that they stopped pushing on at 4-0. The worst a struggling team should be is hard to break down. And goodness me, Bruce should know that more than most managers.
 
This might get a little better. Newcastle will not be drubbed every week and they may claw a few more unexpected points over this tricky run of fixtures. But make no mistake, they are now battling for survival and no well-timed takeover rumours will appease the wrath of supporters if the worst befalls them. Newcastle have been sleep-walking for half a decade. Maybe Benitez was the only thing stopping them slipping into a coma.

[Geordie]

+10

[Eppa]

From 365;

Losers

Early loser Steve Bruce

Let?s start with a statistic, if only to give you something before it all gets a bit ranty. Rafael Benitez managed Newcastle United for 146 matches, and in that time they conceded more than three goals in a match on two occasions. The first of those was a 4-1 defeat at Old Trafford in November 2017, when Newcastle took the lead but eventually succumbed to United?s pressure in the second half. The second was in December 2018, when Liverpool scored two goals in the final 12 minutes at Anfield to beat Newcastle 4-0.
 
That is important, because it partly explains Benitez?s reason for often playing defensive football in away matches that Newcastle were favourites to lose. He figured that the chance of winning away at Big Six clubs was far smaller than the chance of getting a thumping, and a thumping can cause lasting psychological damage on the squad.
 
Even at the start of last season, when Newcastle were wretched, Benitez will argue that he was working on defensive organisation that would benefit the team later in the season. Only with that organisation in place could Newcastle look to attack. Over the last 16 league games of last season, only four teams scored more goals than Newcastle. They were transformed because they had a platform from which to attack.
 
Then there was a process. Now there is nothing. It isn?t just that Newcastle conceded five for the first time since the month before Benitez arrived. It isn?t just that this was a team that has had all the useful elements that Benitez forged unpicked and dismantled. It isn?t just that Steve Bruce is consistently picking players out of position, and then saying after the match that tactics are ?nonsense? and it?s all about playing with pride despite Newcastle showing none of that either. It isn?t just that Bruce has a £40m centre forward that Benitez warned the club would be worse than Salomon Rondon and already looks vindicated on that point.
 
It?s that this was so utterly predictable from the moment it started. Bruce is not the disease, merely a symptom thereof. Newcastle allowed Benitez, the most capable manager they have had in 20 years, to walk because they couldn?t muster enough competence to convince him to stay. Benitez didn?t want vast transfer budgets. He didn?t even want the club to be jolted forward, merely pointed in the right direction. And in his place they appointed a Championship-level manager because he was likely to say yes and come cheap. This disarray is the result of that strategy.
 
Newcastle?s players have got worse since last season. The defence is far more open without Benitez?s defensive coordination (they have already conceded almost 30% of last season?s goal total). Sean Longstaff, Miguel Almiron and Isaac Hayden have all suffered a drop in form that coincides with the new manager?s arrival. Newcastle offer little as a counter-attacking threat. They are making individual and collective mistakes that Premier League teams are too good not to punish.
 
Finally, spare me the ?poor Steve Bruce? angle that I?ve seen in some places. He backed himself to do this job, and he deserves to be judged on what happens on the pitch as Benitez was. And what took place on Sunday was a total abdication of responsibility. The ?tactics nonsense? quotes speak of a manager out of his depth and out of step with the modern Premier League.
 
This wasn?t a Leicester victory through excellence, because they did not need to be excellent. It was a victory through surrender. Leicester exploited the obvious flaws and Newcastle were lucky that they stopped pushing on at 4-0. The worst a struggling team should be is hard to break down. And goodness me, Bruce should know that more than most managers.
 
This might get a little better. Newcastle will not be drubbed every week and they may claw a few more unexpected points over this tricky run of fixtures. But make no mistake, they are now battling for survival and no well-timed takeover rumours will appease the wrath of supporters if the worst befalls them. Newcastle have been sleep-walking for half a decade. Maybe Benitez was the only thing stopping them slipping into a coma.

Amen